So, I’m going to say, it’s the sodium in the VitC that makes for an easier birth and nursing.
Hydration not oxygenation underpins our physiology. Hydration equals salt plus water. Water or moisture follows salt into and out of the body.
A pregnant mammal is carrying a lot of extra fluid to nourish their baby and in preparation for nursing.
Hence their salt requirements increase. A low salt status also prevents pregnancy.
Women require more salt than men because they are built to carry more fluid. Women are fluid-full or beauty-full. Salt is an ally and a brilliant first aid kit.
I explain the reason chronic diseases have increased with the salt restriction directives in my article: How does salt restriction lead to heart dis-ease and fear based reactionary thinking?
Click on my blue icon to read. Get ready to review all you think you know. I tip over a few sacred cows.
Curiosity will help you through cognitive dissonance.
I’ve logically dismissed the gaseous exchange of oxygen and carbon dioxide as a fraud. We are not machines using gases of combustion and exhaust.
Oxygen is the opposite of moist. Oxygen is a dehydrator. Oxygen is a manufactured product of air not a constituent of air. Nitrogen is a product of oxygen. There is no naturally occurring oxygen or nitrogen in the air we breathe.
I take you through the process of my reasoning in my article: We breathe air not oxygen.
There’s no sodium in ascorbic acid (l-C6H8O6). It is the ascorbate that is used by the body to make higher quality collagen, which increases the flexibility of the women’s body and the health and resilience of the baby. There are other actions of ascorbate as well, detox, redox, etc. But the flexibility in birth caused by high dosing ascorbate is mostly about increased collagen formation during the pregnancy. Ascorbate is what makes a vitamin C baby.
Sodium ascorbate is the sodium salt of ascorbic acid, and it is a fine buffered form of vitamin C if people want to take that. I’m not arguing with your premise that women need more salt. We all do. Love salt.
Hate to tell you this but sodium plays a big role in collagen formation.
ChatGPT found this for me:
1. Sodium and Collagen Synthesis: Cellular Studies
Experimental Design:
Cell Culture: Fibroblasts (collagen-producing cells) were cultured in media with varying sodium concentrations to simulate normonatremia (normal), hyponatremia (low sodium), and hypernatremia (high sodium) conditions.
Measurements:
Collagen production (using hydroxyproline assays, a marker for collagen synthesis).
Fibroblast proliferation and migration.
Findings:
Hyponatremia (low salt):
Reduced fibroblast proliferation and decreased collagen synthesis.
Disruption in the structural organization of collagen fibers.
Impaired signaling through the sodium-potassium pump (Na⁺/K⁺ ATPase), which is vital for cell function.
Normonatremia (adequate salt):
Optimal sodium levels supported fibroblast migration and robust collagen synthesis.
2. Animal Studies:
Setup:
Wounds were created in animal models (e.g., rats, mice) subjected to controlled sodium imbalances via diet or intravenous saline.
Collagen deposition in the wound area was assessed using histology (staining for collagen fibers with Masson's trichrome) and biochemical assays.
Findings:
Hyponatremic Animals (low salt):
Collagen fiber density and tensile strength of wounds were significantly lower compared to normonatremic controls.
Delayed wound healing was observed due to reduced fibroblast activity and impaired extracellular matrix (ECM) remodeling.
Normonatremic Animals (adequate salt):
Balanced sodium levels promoted efficient collagen fiber alignment, leading to stronger and more organized wound closure.
4. Human Studies: Sodium Imbalances and Connective Tissue Health
Hyponatremia in Chronic Illness (low salt):
Patients with chronic hyponatremia often show impaired collagen production, leading to weakened connective tissues and slower wound healing.
Clinical trials demonstrated improved healing rates and collagen organization when sodium levels were corrected.
Post-Surgical Healing:
Sodium supplementation in normonatremic (adequate salt) patients post-surgery resulted in better collagen fiber alignment and stronger scar formation compared to those with imbalanced sodium levels.
5. Sodium-Potassium Pump and Collagen Formation
The sodium-potassium pump (Na⁺/K⁺ ATPase) is essential for maintaining ionic gradients in cells, which influence collagen synthesis. Sodium imbalances disrupt this pump, affecting:
Collagen fiber cross-linking: Proper hydration (regulated by sodium levels) is crucial for collagen fiber maturation and tensile strength.
6. Mechanisms Connecting Sodium and Collagen
Cellular Hydration:
Sodium regulates extracellular and intracellular water balance, which influences collagen fibril assembly and extracellular matrix organization.
Inflammatory Signaling:
Sodium imbalances affect cytokine production altering collagen deposition during wound healing.
Conclusion
Experimental evidence shows a clear relationship between sodium blood levels and collagen fiber production, organization, and remodeling. Maintaining balanced sodium levels is critical for optimal collagen synthesis and healthy connective tissue.... These findings have significant implications for clinical wound care, fibrosis management, and tissue engineering. End of ChatGPT
Every part of our physiology requires adequate hydration. Hydration not oxygenation underpins our ability to heal. My 3 articles go into detail, if you have an interest.
Vitamins maybe a hoax big pHARMa has played on the alternative therapy market. Check out Agent 131711's substack, vitamin C is GMO corn syrup, mold, chemicals, bacteria, bleach and more... article.
There is sodium in sodium ascorbate.
I used Google AI
Sodium ascorbate is manufactured by combining ascorbic acid (vitamin C) with sodium:
1. Dissolve ascorbic acid in water
2. Add an equal amount of sodium hydroxide or sodium bicarbonate in water
3. When the effervescence stops, add isopropanol to precipitate the sodium ascorbate
4. Filter and wash the sodium ascorbate with a small amount of solvent
5. Air-dry the salt.
I used ChatGPT to quickly look up experiments that established the vitamin C link to claims of benefit. The usual mode of operation is to assign a proxy for the actual substance being studied. And they do this with vitamin c, because, it's a co-factor. Eg collagen production. I noticed the symptoms of scurvy (e.g., gum bleeding, poor wound healing, and skin fragility) were listed. This made me think of Type 2 diabetes and its link to chronic dehydration or low salt status (same same). Sailors could well have been suffering from T2 diabetes and it was given another name: scurvy.
They overlap very well, although the symptoms of course are assigned to different causes.
My take on T2 diabetes is, it's due to low sodium and chronic dehydration that is managed by the adrenals, hence increased cortisol and cortisol increases blood glucose, hence leading straight to high blood glucose readings. Low carb diet and increasing salt reverses T2 diabetes by normalising blood glucose readings.
ChatGPT
Please list all the signs and symptoms of scurvy and then compare them to type 2 diabetes and find the commonalities
Signs and Symptoms of Scurvy
Scurvy, caused by vitamin C deficiency, leads to impaired collagen synthesis, weakened connective tissue, and systemic effects. The symptoms include:
Early Symptoms:
Fatigue and weakness
Malaise
Irritability
Advanced Symptoms:
Skin and Hair:
Petechiae (tiny red spots due to bleeding under the skin)
Ecchymoses (bruising)
Dry, scaly skin
Corkscrew-shaped hair or hair loss
Gums and Teeth:
Swollen, spongy, bleeding gums
Tooth loss
Wound Healing:
Poor wound healing or reopening of old wounds
Musculoskeletal:
Joint pain and swelling
Bone pain, especially in children (due to weakened growth plates)
Systemic:
Anemia (due to bleeding and iron metabolism impairment)
Edema (fluid retention)
Increased susceptibility to infections
Psychological:
Depression and mood changes
Cognitive impairment in severe cases
Signs and Symptoms of Type 2 Diabetes
Type 2 diabetes, characterized by insulin resistance and hyperglycemia, has systemic effects that can resemble aspects of scurvy.
Symptoms:
Fatigue and Weakness:
Common due to impaired glucose utilization.
Skin and Hair:
Dry skin and itching
Dark patches of skin (acanthosis nigricans)
Skin infections (e.g., fungal or bacterial)
Gums and Teeth:
Gum disease (periodontitis)
Tooth decay
Wound Healing:
Delayed healing of wounds or infections.
Musculoskeletal:
Joint pain and stiffness in advanced cases (e.g., diabetic neuropathy or arthritis).
Systemic Effects:
Increased susceptibility to infections
Poor circulation (leading to ulcers or gangrene)
Anemia (in advanced stages or due to kidney disease)
Psychological:
Depression
Cognitive issues, especially with long-standing diabetes.
Commonalities Between Scurvy and Type 2 Diabetes
Key Observations:
Both conditions impair wound healing, though the mechanisms differ:
Scurvy: Defective collagen synthesis.
Diabetes: Hyperglycemia impairs immune function [impairs all repairs] and vascular health.
Skin fragility and gum disease are prominent in both, stemming from connective tissue issues in scurvy and vascular/inflammatory effects in diabetes.
Joint pain.
Fatigue and susceptibility to infections are systemic features of both, related to the body's impaired ability to repair and protect itself.
Both can cause psychological symptoms, such as depression, linked to chronic illness.
Conclusion:
While scurvy is due to a deficiency in vitamin C and type 2 diabetes arises from metabolic dysfunction, both share overlapping symptoms like fatigue, poor wound healing, gum disease, and increased infection susceptibility [abnormal repair leading to open wounds]. End of ChatGPT
Very cool. Like you, I view sodium as the most important mineral for our health (incriminating the “low-salt diet”). No doubt there is interdependence between ascorbate and sodium, as our biochemistry is a complex system.
Chat GPT out of the gate regurgitates mainstream talking points, which orthomolecular most certainly does not fit into. And imho using it to counter argue a point is like killing a mosquito with a baseball bat. More information is not better information. Also AI is destroying people and planet so better to use our own brains as best we can.
I take a lot of vit c now because my midwife insisted but also have upped my salt a LOT this pregnancy because of extremely low blood pressure that was totally debilitating— I now feel exponentially better. This is all so true and checks out just based on my own anecdotal experience.
Every symptom of morning sickness results from dehydration or low salt.
Pregnancy has the highest requirement for fluid management.
This is why alcohol is prohibited in pregnancy bc it causes dehydration.
Women suffer the most from the medical malfeasant directives to reduce sodium for heart health bc they are designed to carry more fluid than men.
How does salt restriction lead to heart dis-ease & fear based reactionary thinking? Is my Substack article explaining the link between SALT and the adrenal response.
PMS is the feminine adrenal response from low salt.
Sorry but look carefully at the ChatGPT examples... it doesn't show any interaction other than the generally unhealthiness of low sodium tissue environment...
Instead get Linus Pauling's book [Live Longer and Feel Better].. and on around pages 91 and subsequent he goes into the chemical structures and interactions in collagen formation, starting already at the 'pro-collagen' stage... He not only shows the proper twisting of the collagen triple helix structure but also that the multiple molecules of C that perform the steps needed are destroyed in their work's completion, so not available for C's other functions as anti-oxidant and
anti-toxin... So the pounds of collagen being PROPERLY formed requires comparably large amounts of C, not the insane FDA 'near-deathbed-scurvy' 100mg/day.. [hint: do the calculations in moles, and molecular weights of collagen and ascorbate]
Wow is this an amazing example of overdoing an attempt to counter a pharma-inanity.... Namely the wrongheaded ''low-sodium'' advising by pharma-kooks with a drug agenda...
Unfortunately, you missed the antidote from the Union of Concerned Scientists already in the 1990s when they countered Pharma's crusade against sodium by explaining that the amount of sodium wasn't too much -- instead it was the absence of a proper balance of the other minerals...
Your subsequent trip into ''oxygen'' as some klunky manufactured product with mythical battles between hydration and oxygen is truly way out there... Our need for oxygen is for our mitochondria... the critters in our cells that we favorably coexist with... And it's the hemoglobin molecules attached to our red blood cells that pick up as much O2 from the air in our lungs as it can, given the conditions there and then deliver it bit by bit to the nice warmed tissues [which the mitochondria keep warm with their ''fuel'' work] in order to supply the ''combustion'' of fuel for our energy....
Hyperbaric oxygen adds to the oxygen in our blood as the pressure in the chamber induces a bit more O2 to dissolve in the blood's plasma, which then increases the oxygen reach of our circulatory system since red blood cells have to fold in order to pass through the narrowest of our capillaries... so only the 'youngest' blood cells make the deepest trip... That's why you check the donation date on hospital blood and hope for no more than a week old..
Oxygen is defined by its absence of moisture in ppm of water contamination.
Oxygen (O₂) ≤ 67 ppm (dew point ≤ −45°C) Dew-point sensor or hygrometer Required for pharmaceutical-grade oxygen
Oxygen is manufactured from air by removing moisture via: cooling, condensation, compression. This means oxygen gas is just extremely extremely extremely dry air.
In physiology, oxygen and carbon dioxide are measured by proxies, the gases themselves are never measured.
Every physiological process requires moisture. Water follows salt.
The respiratory mucosa acts to hold moisture loosely so it can humidify inhaled air and then reclaim moisture from the exhaled air. Salt within the mucosa aids this process.
Here's an experiment when humidity drops just 10% and the mucosa loses its function, debris becomes embedded and this starts inflammation.
Comparison of Mucus Clearance At 100% and 90% Humidity
Oxygen is dry and it causes dehydration when it enters the respiratory system.
Oxygen gas dehydrates most materials is it exposed to, hence materials exposed to oxygen are more flammable, more likely to burst into flames with spark exposure.
Oxygen's dehydrating power is well known, this is why oxygen is generally used with humidifiers, even CPAP machines have humidifiers.
RBC's are carrying saline solution, absorbed as they pass through the alveoli capillaries.
Lung physiology 101, the air reaching the alveoli must be at 100% humidity, that's dew point or drop point. The mucosa adds salt and moisture to the inhaled air.
A saline drip also rehydrates RBC's. It's called a saline drip because it uses NaCl plus water. If you look at your blood test results for electrolytes, Na and Cl are the major players, every other electrolyte is required in significantly less quantities.
Pressure aids lung function. Wim Hoff Method of hyperbaric breathing, allows a novice to easily hold their breath for 2.5mins after doing 3 rounds. Pressure allows more salty moisture to be transferred to the alveoli capillaries for the RBC's to pick up as they pass.
Hyperbaric tanks that use oxygen run the risk of oxygen toxicity occurring, this can cause seizures. Research oxygen toxicity: it can cause pneumonia, alveoli haemorrhaging, CNS delusions, death.
ATP is a triple phosphate surfactant, it aids the movement of water plus salts through the cell membrane via bubble formation.
Every physiological process that pretends oxygen is used, is fraudulent.
We are not combustion engines using oxygen and exhausting carbon dioxide.
We breathe air, the gaseous form of water.
Air and water cycle via energy transference.
air - energy = water (rain, condensation)
water + energy = air (evaporation, boiling bubbles, ocean bubbles from waves)
Lovely article, what form is the Vitamin C taken, as most supplements are not vitamin C but chemical absorbic acid. How can you find the real thing other than fresh citrus fruit?
Ascorbic acid is sourced starting with some sugar. Animals make it by converting glucose to ascorbic acid, which is called “vitamin C.”
You are thinking of citric acid, which is synthesized sometimes using a black mold. Citric acid is not the same as ascorbic acid. It is made by our human bodies and is critical to all kinds of functions in our body, including as a chelator of heavy metals. Lately, I’m thinking that citric acid is also under an intensive misinformation campaign by the powers that shouldn’t be. Supplementing with citric acid can be a game changer.
Adding citric acid along with ascorbic acid can be a game changer. Citric acid is our body’s chelation agent. So detoxing and removing heavy metals and oxalate crystals is facilitated by adding citric acid.
I don’t understand how this much vitamin c doesn’t cause diarrhea or stomach upset?? I don’t think I’ve ever managed to take more than 1000 mg - 4 times a day. Would love some suggestions thank you.
My wife was in the same situation when she started. It took a year of that steady dosing before she could take more. Now she can take 100 grams a day if needed (for a virus or allergy, beesting, etc.)
First of all.. the vitamin C RESEARCH that established the processes and amounts was chemical for measurement and identification of what's in the processes, hence the amounts and type to take are based on RESEARCH DATA...
FACT,, you cannot get the optimal ascorbates needed from FOODS... Been tried and it's impractical... Further fruit and INTRAVENOUS LIFE SAVING C is a hilarious joke.. Science is not hateful.
As for types, make your choices to match your intakes' circumstances... The acid version is the simplest for calculation but the salt version is more easily combined with ''salty-oily'' foods ---like sprinkling it over buttered veggies, meat-n-gravy, etc.. Why treat C as a drug and pills.... We keep a jar-n-spoon of crystal C at our eating area... using a 1/2tsp for dosing it over the meal gets you 2000mg right there.... instantly..
There's also a fat-soluble C --ascorbyl palmittate -- that we like to combine with the salt version when we carry another jar-n-spoon of crystals/powder along away from home so we can do that 1/2tsp SUBLINGUAL as wanted/needed...
Don't worry about exact mg -- just get in the ball park... the salt version and oil-soluble version are carrying along a touch of extra compatible chemistry so if your ascorbic acid plan was 1/2tsp then just do rounded 1/2tsp of the other type .... etc....
Interesting. I have 5 children and each one has progressively come faster than the last. I also do not feel contractions until it’s time to push. My last baby, was born at 41 weeks within 20 minutes of me waking up from sleeping peacefully to my water breaking. I had about 10 minutes to lay chux pads down and changed the sheets on my bed before I felt the urge to push and I delivered my baby by myself in the hallway. I’d be a little nervous taking vitamin c if the result is a faster, easier delivery, I might actually just sleep through it 😂
Not really, my mom had fairly fast deliveries also, but after I wrote this I realized I drank copious amounts of lemon water and nettle tea (which is high in vitamin c) with my last baby, who was my fastest delivery.
Excellent. I believe humans and two other species do not make their own vitamin C. Dr Bruce Hollis did work on prenatal moms with vitamin D3 and they fared much better improving their 25hydroxy. He also did an FDA approved study which showed shrinkage of prostate tumors with D3. A woman supplementing with Lugols iodine will have a smarter child since the neural pathways require sufficient in the mother to form properly. I would rather have a DVM than an MD take care of me.
Sadly most Veterinarians have become Pharma technicians as well, vaccine and antibiotic sales specialists, like MDs. Vets are still more aware of mineral deficiencies, but generally clueless about the importance of microbiome balance. Our go to for all issues with animals is first high dose ascorbic acid and niacinamide.
Thank-you. High dose vitamin C IV has been used to cure sepsis in hospitals and is being used in Mexico for cancer with K3 which is called Apatone. I do follow a DVM in British Columbia that gave his license in because of the restrictions, (Dr Jones Veterinary Secrets). He now does videos to help owners and provide the nutrients. Dr Wallach was a DVM and became a Doctor of Naturopathy. His book Dead Doctors Don’t Lie is a wake-up to what we don’t know.
Love it that more people are coming to realize that human beings don’t make vitamin C and our diet has been reduced in vitamin C and we all require more for best health. I use it for viruses for scorpions bites and even give it iv for cancer patients sometimes. Hurray for your article. Keep up the good work
This is so fascinating! Thank you for sharing this, Theo! I am working as a doula, so I don't typically see clients until partway through their pregnancies. I will share this with the midwives I work alongside of, and help with bringing more Vitamin C babies into the world!
We made this video https://youtu.be/cAMyWMLlBUk?si=x8rCopS99Mu8z2FU 13 years ago after our grandson Helios, first vitamin C baby in the family, was born. The midwife in the video, who delivered Helios, now passes out my children's book (https://www.heliosfarms.com/product-page/buttercup-me-and-vitamin-c) to the women she assists in birth and recommends the Klenner protocol or bowel tolerance. The results are very repeatable, although women can carry high toxic loads nowadays, so they need to understand their bowel tolerance, which establishes the best protocol to follow for any individual (https://theofarmer.substack.com/p/vitamin-c-to-bowel-tolerance?r=1b6737). It's also a great way for pregnant women to clear the pipes when necessary. :)
The 'pipes' resident probiotics that finish the job --inside as well as later if you're cleverly 'hot composting' toilet 'waste'-- prosper in vitC AND HEAT.... so putting a heating pad on your lower belly helps them get their work done -- as well as facilitating proper pipe work.. C as well as yogurt to boost their multiplying, according to the inventor of the medical life-saving healthy fecal transplants... ttyl
Very interesting. There's a Victorian midwifery book called "Tokology: a book for every woman" by Alice Stockholm that carries the same theme. I don't recall if she mentions Vitamin C by name, but she advocates a "fruit diet" (ie high vitamin C) and points out cases of mothers who consumed ample fruit and delivered easily.
Klenner writes about areas where babies are often born “en caul” where the intact amniotic sac, fluid, and baby come out together. For example, this happens in areas where the acerola cherry tree is native. It’s viewed as rare and mystical, but is actually a common occurrence with vitamin c babies. The sac and membranes are very tough due to the high quality collagen that develops. I think it’s best practice to break those tough sacs at the right time during labor to relieve the pressure so the whole water balloon doesn’t need to be pushed out with the baby. The midwife for our grandson broke the sac and commented on how tough it was.
Orthomolecular Medicine News Service has a fascinating article about hydroxytyrosol and its role in "The Restoration of Vitamin C Synthesis in Humans":
If you used to sunburn and you don’t now, or don’t burn badly, then you likely are making ascorbate. That would be an effect. I started taking olive leaf extract yesterday that has a high level of Hydroxytyrosol.
Thank you for pointing me to this. I read it when it was released, but haven't thought about it for a while. We took formula 216 for a while as well. Ordered some olive leaf extract to resume experimenting with this ideal
I've been taking 2 caps daily of ProHealth Hydroxytyrosol Extreme for about a year, but haven't really noticed any significant effects. I also don't know how I'd clinically measure or test its effectiveness.
People easily fall for the myths which are emotional not based in reason. Pharma loves the myths. One of our favorites is not a vitamin c myth, but the no honey for infants myth. Complete garbage info that has been very successfully propagated throughout the world.
Klenner's work is easily repeatable. It's a crime that women are not told. Withholding that information supports the birth-trauma industry, and that's evil.
Thank you. I'm not currently very active here because of busyness on the farm. I have material on my blog that I'd like to transfer here over time. Here are some entries. https://www.hfpma.online/blog/categories/vitamin-c. Also have 3 articles on the peer-reviewed orthomolecular.org. If you click the "search" atom and enter my name, you can read those. Hopefully, I'll get more time on here in the next months.
So would you say that some of the complications in cattle births could be due to vit C deficiency? I don’t know much about cows but I have seen a brutal video of a chain assisted calf birth.
Well let’s see: stress depletes vitamin c in cows and they are not great producers of vitamin c in the first place. So deficiency due to stress likely contributes to problems and to calves that don’t thrive, but stress is the core issue. We had one cow this year that had a strange birth. Her calf got sick and died and than she got a bad lung infection and was wasting away. We harvested her and found a wad of plastic in her stomach. So the stress from the plastic was the core issue, but that stress would lead to ascorbate deficiency. We don’t supplement our cows with vitamin c, and haven’t done a similar study to the study Dr. Klenner did with his patients. Complications in calving here are rare and usually it is easy to identify the core stress associated with the downstream problem.
Yes, yes and yes. Vitamin C! The American Association of Naturopathic Physicians sent a letter to hospitals regarding their highly successful treatment of covid with high doses of Vitamin C. And, of course, most hospitals ignored it -- AND a local mainstream news site posted a warning about the danger of high doses of Vit C - but posted nothing about the horrible side effects of pharmaceuticals. The only adverse effects that high doses of Vit C might produce are stomach aches and/or diarrhea - if that happens then you slightly lower the dose until there is tolerance. Vit C is great for many ills. Thank you posting such a wonderful article.
hello! Trying to decide between the ascorbic powder that you recommend or their liposomal. I took Liposomal for my last pregnancy, that was before I read your article. which is better? or what might they do differently in the body?
thank you, I will read this! How would I apply the protocol of 5, 10, 15 gram per day per trimester while utilizing both forms? would it be a total gram amount or for example 5 ascorbic and 5 liposomal in the first trimester?
Klenner’s protocol is a guideline from less toxic times (1940s). If you can handle more that’s better. The only thing limiting how much ascorbic acid you take is your bowel tolerance. You can take a few spoons full of liposomal a day to top that off.
So, I’m going to say, it’s the sodium in the VitC that makes for an easier birth and nursing.
Hydration not oxygenation underpins our physiology. Hydration equals salt plus water. Water or moisture follows salt into and out of the body.
A pregnant mammal is carrying a lot of extra fluid to nourish their baby and in preparation for nursing.
Hence their salt requirements increase. A low salt status also prevents pregnancy.
Women require more salt than men because they are built to carry more fluid. Women are fluid-full or beauty-full. Salt is an ally and a brilliant first aid kit.
I explain the reason chronic diseases have increased with the salt restriction directives in my article: How does salt restriction lead to heart dis-ease and fear based reactionary thinking?
Click on my blue icon to read. Get ready to review all you think you know. I tip over a few sacred cows.
Curiosity will help you through cognitive dissonance.
I’ve logically dismissed the gaseous exchange of oxygen and carbon dioxide as a fraud. We are not machines using gases of combustion and exhaust.
Oxygen is the opposite of moist. Oxygen is a dehydrator. Oxygen is a manufactured product of air not a constituent of air. Nitrogen is a product of oxygen. There is no naturally occurring oxygen or nitrogen in the air we breathe.
I take you through the process of my reasoning in my article: We breathe air not oxygen.
There’s no sodium in ascorbic acid (l-C6H8O6). It is the ascorbate that is used by the body to make higher quality collagen, which increases the flexibility of the women’s body and the health and resilience of the baby. There are other actions of ascorbate as well, detox, redox, etc. But the flexibility in birth caused by high dosing ascorbate is mostly about increased collagen formation during the pregnancy. Ascorbate is what makes a vitamin C baby.
Sodium ascorbate is the sodium salt of ascorbic acid, and it is a fine buffered form of vitamin C if people want to take that. I’m not arguing with your premise that women need more salt. We all do. Love salt.
Hate to tell you this but sodium plays a big role in collagen formation.
ChatGPT found this for me:
1. Sodium and Collagen Synthesis: Cellular Studies
Experimental Design:
Cell Culture: Fibroblasts (collagen-producing cells) were cultured in media with varying sodium concentrations to simulate normonatremia (normal), hyponatremia (low sodium), and hypernatremia (high sodium) conditions.
Measurements:
Collagen production (using hydroxyproline assays, a marker for collagen synthesis).
Fibroblast proliferation and migration.
Findings:
Hyponatremia (low salt):
Reduced fibroblast proliferation and decreased collagen synthesis.
Disruption in the structural organization of collagen fibers.
Impaired signaling through the sodium-potassium pump (Na⁺/K⁺ ATPase), which is vital for cell function.
Normonatremia (adequate salt):
Optimal sodium levels supported fibroblast migration and robust collagen synthesis.
2. Animal Studies:
Setup:
Wounds were created in animal models (e.g., rats, mice) subjected to controlled sodium imbalances via diet or intravenous saline.
Collagen deposition in the wound area was assessed using histology (staining for collagen fibers with Masson's trichrome) and biochemical assays.
Findings:
Hyponatremic Animals (low salt):
Collagen fiber density and tensile strength of wounds were significantly lower compared to normonatremic controls.
Delayed wound healing was observed due to reduced fibroblast activity and impaired extracellular matrix (ECM) remodeling.
Normonatremic Animals (adequate salt):
Balanced sodium levels promoted efficient collagen fiber alignment, leading to stronger and more organized wound closure.
4. Human Studies: Sodium Imbalances and Connective Tissue Health
Hyponatremia in Chronic Illness (low salt):
Patients with chronic hyponatremia often show impaired collagen production, leading to weakened connective tissues and slower wound healing.
Clinical trials demonstrated improved healing rates and collagen organization when sodium levels were corrected.
Post-Surgical Healing:
Sodium supplementation in normonatremic (adequate salt) patients post-surgery resulted in better collagen fiber alignment and stronger scar formation compared to those with imbalanced sodium levels.
5. Sodium-Potassium Pump and Collagen Formation
The sodium-potassium pump (Na⁺/K⁺ ATPase) is essential for maintaining ionic gradients in cells, which influence collagen synthesis. Sodium imbalances disrupt this pump, affecting:
Fibroblast function: Reduced intracellular potassium and increased intracellular sodium impair fibroblast metabolism, directly impacting collagen production.
Collagen fiber cross-linking: Proper hydration (regulated by sodium levels) is crucial for collagen fiber maturation and tensile strength.
6. Mechanisms Connecting Sodium and Collagen
Cellular Hydration:
Sodium regulates extracellular and intracellular water balance, which influences collagen fibril assembly and extracellular matrix organization.
Inflammatory Signaling:
Sodium imbalances affect cytokine production altering collagen deposition during wound healing.
Conclusion
Experimental evidence shows a clear relationship between sodium blood levels and collagen fiber production, organization, and remodeling. Maintaining balanced sodium levels is critical for optimal collagen synthesis and healthy connective tissue.... These findings have significant implications for clinical wound care, fibrosis management, and tissue engineering. End of ChatGPT
Every part of our physiology requires adequate hydration. Hydration not oxygenation underpins our ability to heal. My 3 articles go into detail, if you have an interest.
Vitamins maybe a hoax big pHARMa has played on the alternative therapy market. Check out Agent 131711's substack, vitamin C is GMO corn syrup, mold, chemicals, bacteria, bleach and more... article.
There is sodium in sodium ascorbate.
I used Google AI
Sodium ascorbate is manufactured by combining ascorbic acid (vitamin C) with sodium:
1. Dissolve ascorbic acid in water
2. Add an equal amount of sodium hydroxide or sodium bicarbonate in water
3. When the effervescence stops, add isopropanol to precipitate the sodium ascorbate
4. Filter and wash the sodium ascorbate with a small amount of solvent
5. Air-dry the salt.
I used ChatGPT to quickly look up experiments that established the vitamin C link to claims of benefit. The usual mode of operation is to assign a proxy for the actual substance being studied. And they do this with vitamin c, because, it's a co-factor. Eg collagen production. I noticed the symptoms of scurvy (e.g., gum bleeding, poor wound healing, and skin fragility) were listed. This made me think of Type 2 diabetes and its link to chronic dehydration or low salt status (same same). Sailors could well have been suffering from T2 diabetes and it was given another name: scurvy.
They overlap very well, although the symptoms of course are assigned to different causes.
My take on T2 diabetes is, it's due to low sodium and chronic dehydration that is managed by the adrenals, hence increased cortisol and cortisol increases blood glucose, hence leading straight to high blood glucose readings. Low carb diet and increasing salt reverses T2 diabetes by normalising blood glucose readings.
ChatGPT
Please list all the signs and symptoms of scurvy and then compare them to type 2 diabetes and find the commonalities
Signs and Symptoms of Scurvy
Scurvy, caused by vitamin C deficiency, leads to impaired collagen synthesis, weakened connective tissue, and systemic effects. The symptoms include:
Early Symptoms:
Fatigue and weakness
Malaise
Irritability
Advanced Symptoms:
Skin and Hair:
Petechiae (tiny red spots due to bleeding under the skin)
Ecchymoses (bruising)
Dry, scaly skin
Corkscrew-shaped hair or hair loss
Gums and Teeth:
Swollen, spongy, bleeding gums
Tooth loss
Wound Healing:
Poor wound healing or reopening of old wounds
Musculoskeletal:
Joint pain and swelling
Bone pain, especially in children (due to weakened growth plates)
Systemic:
Anemia (due to bleeding and iron metabolism impairment)
Edema (fluid retention)
Increased susceptibility to infections
Psychological:
Depression and mood changes
Cognitive impairment in severe cases
Signs and Symptoms of Type 2 Diabetes
Type 2 diabetes, characterized by insulin resistance and hyperglycemia, has systemic effects that can resemble aspects of scurvy.
Symptoms:
Fatigue and Weakness:
Common due to impaired glucose utilization.
Skin and Hair:
Dry skin and itching
Dark patches of skin (acanthosis nigricans)
Skin infections (e.g., fungal or bacterial)
Gums and Teeth:
Gum disease (periodontitis)
Tooth decay
Wound Healing:
Delayed healing of wounds or infections.
Musculoskeletal:
Joint pain and stiffness in advanced cases (e.g., diabetic neuropathy or arthritis).
Systemic Effects:
Increased susceptibility to infections
Poor circulation (leading to ulcers or gangrene)
Anemia (in advanced stages or due to kidney disease)
Psychological:
Depression
Cognitive issues, especially with long-standing diabetes.
Commonalities Between Scurvy and Type 2 Diabetes
Key Observations:
Both conditions impair wound healing, though the mechanisms differ:
Scurvy: Defective collagen synthesis.
Diabetes: Hyperglycemia impairs immune function [impairs all repairs] and vascular health.
Skin fragility and gum disease are prominent in both, stemming from connective tissue issues in scurvy and vascular/inflammatory effects in diabetes.
Joint pain.
Fatigue and susceptibility to infections are systemic features of both, related to the body's impaired ability to repair and protect itself.
Both can cause psychological symptoms, such as depression, linked to chronic illness.
Conclusion:
While scurvy is due to a deficiency in vitamin C and type 2 diabetes arises from metabolic dysfunction, both share overlapping symptoms like fatigue, poor wound healing, gum disease, and increased infection susceptibility [abnormal repair leading to open wounds]. End of ChatGPT
Very cool. Like you, I view sodium as the most important mineral for our health (incriminating the “low-salt diet”). No doubt there is interdependence between ascorbate and sodium, as our biochemistry is a complex system.
I really appreciate your response.
Chat GPT out of the gate regurgitates mainstream talking points, which orthomolecular most certainly does not fit into. And imho using it to counter argue a point is like killing a mosquito with a baseball bat. More information is not better information. Also AI is destroying people and planet so better to use our own brains as best we can.
I take a lot of vit c now because my midwife insisted but also have upped my salt a LOT this pregnancy because of extremely low blood pressure that was totally debilitating— I now feel exponentially better. This is all so true and checks out just based on my own anecdotal experience.
Hi Birdie
Thank you for your message.
Every symptom of morning sickness results from dehydration or low salt.
Pregnancy has the highest requirement for fluid management.
This is why alcohol is prohibited in pregnancy bc it causes dehydration.
Women suffer the most from the medical malfeasant directives to reduce sodium for heart health bc they are designed to carry more fluid than men.
How does salt restriction lead to heart dis-ease & fear based reactionary thinking? Is my Substack article explaining the link between SALT and the adrenal response.
PMS is the feminine adrenal response from low salt.
Sorry but look carefully at the ChatGPT examples... it doesn't show any interaction other than the generally unhealthiness of low sodium tissue environment...
Instead get Linus Pauling's book [Live Longer and Feel Better].. and on around pages 91 and subsequent he goes into the chemical structures and interactions in collagen formation, starting already at the 'pro-collagen' stage... He not only shows the proper twisting of the collagen triple helix structure but also that the multiple molecules of C that perform the steps needed are destroyed in their work's completion, so not available for C's other functions as anti-oxidant and
anti-toxin... So the pounds of collagen being PROPERLY formed requires comparably large amounts of C, not the insane FDA 'near-deathbed-scurvy' 100mg/day.. [hint: do the calculations in moles, and molecular weights of collagen and ascorbate]
TTYL
Wow is this an amazing example of overdoing an attempt to counter a pharma-inanity.... Namely the wrongheaded ''low-sodium'' advising by pharma-kooks with a drug agenda...
Unfortunately, you missed the antidote from the Union of Concerned Scientists already in the 1990s when they countered Pharma's crusade against sodium by explaining that the amount of sodium wasn't too much -- instead it was the absence of a proper balance of the other minerals...
Your subsequent trip into ''oxygen'' as some klunky manufactured product with mythical battles between hydration and oxygen is truly way out there... Our need for oxygen is for our mitochondria... the critters in our cells that we favorably coexist with... And it's the hemoglobin molecules attached to our red blood cells that pick up as much O2 from the air in our lungs as it can, given the conditions there and then deliver it bit by bit to the nice warmed tissues [which the mitochondria keep warm with their ''fuel'' work] in order to supply the ''combustion'' of fuel for our energy....
Hyperbaric oxygen adds to the oxygen in our blood as the pressure in the chamber induces a bit more O2 to dissolve in the blood's plasma, which then increases the oxygen reach of our circulatory system since red blood cells have to fold in order to pass through the narrowest of our capillaries... so only the 'youngest' blood cells make the deepest trip... That's why you check the donation date on hospital blood and hope for no more than a week old..
TTYL
Hi TTYL
Oxygen is defined by its absence of moisture in ppm of water contamination.
Oxygen (O₂) ≤ 67 ppm (dew point ≤ −45°C) Dew-point sensor or hygrometer Required for pharmaceutical-grade oxygen
Oxygen is manufactured from air by removing moisture via: cooling, condensation, compression. This means oxygen gas is just extremely extremely extremely dry air.
In physiology, oxygen and carbon dioxide are measured by proxies, the gases themselves are never measured.
Every physiological process requires moisture. Water follows salt.
The respiratory mucosa acts to hold moisture loosely so it can humidify inhaled air and then reclaim moisture from the exhaled air. Salt within the mucosa aids this process.
Here's an experiment when humidity drops just 10% and the mucosa loses its function, debris becomes embedded and this starts inflammation.
Comparison of Mucus Clearance At 100% and 90% Humidity
link: https://youtu.be/fZeAEZZtacA?si=i5bTv9aa4rvnMgD2
Oxygen is dry and it causes dehydration when it enters the respiratory system.
Oxygen gas dehydrates most materials is it exposed to, hence materials exposed to oxygen are more flammable, more likely to burst into flames with spark exposure.
Oxygen's dehydrating power is well known, this is why oxygen is generally used with humidifiers, even CPAP machines have humidifiers.
RBC's are carrying saline solution, absorbed as they pass through the alveoli capillaries.
Lung physiology 101, the air reaching the alveoli must be at 100% humidity, that's dew point or drop point. The mucosa adds salt and moisture to the inhaled air.
A saline drip also rehydrates RBC's. It's called a saline drip because it uses NaCl plus water. If you look at your blood test results for electrolytes, Na and Cl are the major players, every other electrolyte is required in significantly less quantities.
Pressure aids lung function. Wim Hoff Method of hyperbaric breathing, allows a novice to easily hold their breath for 2.5mins after doing 3 rounds. Pressure allows more salty moisture to be transferred to the alveoli capillaries for the RBC's to pick up as they pass.
Hyperbaric tanks that use oxygen run the risk of oxygen toxicity occurring, this can cause seizures. Research oxygen toxicity: it can cause pneumonia, alveoli haemorrhaging, CNS delusions, death.
ATP is a triple phosphate surfactant, it aids the movement of water plus salts through the cell membrane via bubble formation.
Every physiological process that pretends oxygen is used, is fraudulent.
We are not combustion engines using oxygen and exhausting carbon dioxide.
We breathe air, the gaseous form of water.
Air and water cycle via energy transference.
air - energy = water (rain, condensation)
water + energy = air (evaporation, boiling bubbles, ocean bubbles from waves)
The oceans make the air we breathe.
air = bubbles
water = full bubbles or drops
We live in the realm of water.
Matter is really water.
M is the Phoenician symbol for water.
Lovely article, what form is the Vitamin C taken, as most supplements are not vitamin C but chemical absorbic acid. How can you find the real thing other than fresh citrus fruit?
he put a link at the bottom of the article
I’m in the U.K. though, so need some guidance
Ascorbic acid is sourced starting with some sugar. Animals make it by converting glucose to ascorbic acid, which is called “vitamin C.”
You are thinking of citric acid, which is synthesized sometimes using a black mold. Citric acid is not the same as ascorbic acid. It is made by our human bodies and is critical to all kinds of functions in our body, including as a chelator of heavy metals. Lately, I’m thinking that citric acid is also under an intensive misinformation campaign by the powers that shouldn’t be. Supplementing with citric acid can be a game changer.
Do you mean supplementing with ascorbic acid can be a game changer?
Adding citric acid along with ascorbic acid can be a game changer. Citric acid is our body’s chelation agent. So detoxing and removing heavy metals and oxalate crystals is facilitated by adding citric acid.
Citric Acid is mould. I won't be consuming it.
I’m in the U.K.
I don’t understand how this much vitamin c doesn’t cause diarrhea or stomach upset?? I don’t think I’ve ever managed to take more than 1000 mg - 4 times a day. Would love some suggestions thank you.
My wife was in the same situation when she started. It took a year of that steady dosing before she could take more. Now she can take 100 grams a day if needed (for a virus or allergy, beesting, etc.)
First of all.. the vitamin C RESEARCH that established the processes and amounts was chemical for measurement and identification of what's in the processes, hence the amounts and type to take are based on RESEARCH DATA...
FACT,, you cannot get the optimal ascorbates needed from FOODS... Been tried and it's impractical... Further fruit and INTRAVENOUS LIFE SAVING C is a hilarious joke.. Science is not hateful.
As for types, make your choices to match your intakes' circumstances... The acid version is the simplest for calculation but the salt version is more easily combined with ''salty-oily'' foods ---like sprinkling it over buttered veggies, meat-n-gravy, etc.. Why treat C as a drug and pills.... We keep a jar-n-spoon of crystal C at our eating area... using a 1/2tsp for dosing it over the meal gets you 2000mg right there.... instantly..
There's also a fat-soluble C --ascorbyl palmittate -- that we like to combine with the salt version when we carry another jar-n-spoon of crystals/powder along away from home so we can do that 1/2tsp SUBLINGUAL as wanted/needed...
Don't worry about exact mg -- just get in the ball park... the salt version and oil-soluble version are carrying along a touch of extra compatible chemistry so if your ascorbic acid plan was 1/2tsp then just do rounded 1/2tsp of the other type .... etc....
Enjoy it... TTYL
Which vitamin C should we take???
We buy the ascorbic acid powder from revitalize wellness. We also sell it on our website PMAFarms.com.
Are there any PMA farms in Georgia?
Not yet. Until there is, we do ship to Georgia from Oregon.
Interesting. I have 5 children and each one has progressively come faster than the last. I also do not feel contractions until it’s time to push. My last baby, was born at 41 weeks within 20 minutes of me waking up from sleeping peacefully to my water breaking. I had about 10 minutes to lay chux pads down and changed the sheets on my bed before I felt the urge to push and I delivered my baby by myself in the hallway. I’d be a little nervous taking vitamin c if the result is a faster, easier delivery, I might actually just sleep through it 😂
Neat, do you attribute your easy births to anything in particular?
Not really, my mom had fairly fast deliveries also, but after I wrote this I realized I drank copious amounts of lemon water and nettle tea (which is high in vitamin c) with my last baby, who was my fastest delivery.
I drank copious amounts of grapefruit juice with my last baby, and she was a fast and easy delivery.
Excellent. I believe humans and two other species do not make their own vitamin C. Dr Bruce Hollis did work on prenatal moms with vitamin D3 and they fared much better improving their 25hydroxy. He also did an FDA approved study which showed shrinkage of prostate tumors with D3. A woman supplementing with Lugols iodine will have a smarter child since the neural pathways require sufficient in the mother to form properly. I would rather have a DVM than an MD take care of me.
Sadly most Veterinarians have become Pharma technicians as well, vaccine and antibiotic sales specialists, like MDs. Vets are still more aware of mineral deficiencies, but generally clueless about the importance of microbiome balance. Our go to for all issues with animals is first high dose ascorbic acid and niacinamide.
Thank-you. High dose vitamin C IV has been used to cure sepsis in hospitals and is being used in Mexico for cancer with K3 which is called Apatone. I do follow a DVM in British Columbia that gave his license in because of the restrictions, (Dr Jones Veterinary Secrets). He now does videos to help owners and provide the nutrients. Dr Wallach was a DVM and became a Doctor of Naturopathy. His book Dead Doctors Don’t Lie is a wake-up to what we don’t know.
From memory, IIRC, the other two species are the fruit-eared bat and the guinea pig.
Together, we lack the GULO gene which would be responsible for spontaneous endogenous ascorbic acid production in the gut.
No-one seems to know why.
Thx. I thought it was a lack of an enzyme.
It a while since I read up on it but I think the gene creates the enzyme?
I need to go back to my books to be sure but I'm getting too old.
Love it that more people are coming to realize that human beings don’t make vitamin C and our diet has been reduced in vitamin C and we all require more for best health. I use it for viruses for scorpions bites and even give it iv for cancer patients sometimes. Hurray for your article. Keep up the good work
Thank you. It is absolutely critical information for these times.
This is so fascinating! Thank you for sharing this, Theo! I am working as a doula, so I don't typically see clients until partway through their pregnancies. I will share this with the midwives I work alongside of, and help with bringing more Vitamin C babies into the world!
Hi Bonnie,
We made this video https://youtu.be/cAMyWMLlBUk?si=x8rCopS99Mu8z2FU 13 years ago after our grandson Helios, first vitamin C baby in the family, was born. The midwife in the video, who delivered Helios, now passes out my children's book (https://www.heliosfarms.com/product-page/buttercup-me-and-vitamin-c) to the women she assists in birth and recommends the Klenner protocol or bowel tolerance. The results are very repeatable, although women can carry high toxic loads nowadays, so they need to understand their bowel tolerance, which establishes the best protocol to follow for any individual (https://theofarmer.substack.com/p/vitamin-c-to-bowel-tolerance?r=1b6737). It's also a great way for pregnant women to clear the pipes when necessary. :)
The 'pipes' resident probiotics that finish the job --inside as well as later if you're cleverly 'hot composting' toilet 'waste'-- prosper in vitC AND HEAT.... so putting a heating pad on your lower belly helps them get their work done -- as well as facilitating proper pipe work.. C as well as yogurt to boost their multiplying, according to the inventor of the medical life-saving healthy fecal transplants... ttyl
Very interesting. There's a Victorian midwifery book called "Tokology: a book for every woman" by Alice Stockholm that carries the same theme. I don't recall if she mentions Vitamin C by name, but she advocates a "fruit diet" (ie high vitamin C) and points out cases of mothers who consumed ample fruit and delivered easily.
Klenner writes about areas where babies are often born “en caul” where the intact amniotic sac, fluid, and baby come out together. For example, this happens in areas where the acerola cherry tree is native. It’s viewed as rare and mystical, but is actually a common occurrence with vitamin c babies. The sac and membranes are very tough due to the high quality collagen that develops. I think it’s best practice to break those tough sacs at the right time during labor to relieve the pressure so the whole water balloon doesn’t need to be pushed out with the baby. The midwife for our grandson broke the sac and commented on how tough it was.
Orthomolecular Medicine News Service has a fascinating article about hydroxytyrosol and its role in "The Restoration of Vitamin C Synthesis in Humans":
https://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v18n14.shtml
If you used to sunburn and you don’t now, or don’t burn badly, then you likely are making ascorbate. That would be an effect. I started taking olive leaf extract yesterday that has a high level of Hydroxytyrosol.
Thank you for pointing me to this. I read it when it was released, but haven't thought about it for a while. We took formula 216 for a while as well. Ordered some olive leaf extract to resume experimenting with this ideal
I've been taking 2 caps daily of ProHealth Hydroxytyrosol Extreme for about a year, but haven't really noticed any significant effects. I also don't know how I'd clinically measure or test its effectiveness.
https://www.prohealth.com/products/prohealth-hydroxytyrosol-extreme-90-capsules-ph398
Also, I haven't been sick since December 2019; I keep telling everyone I had pre-covid-19. :)
Thank you for this great information…we have to be the Gatekeepers of our wellness…knowledge is power!!!
Love your article and knowledge.
How you keep civil with idiotic comments is something I really need to learn, but then you haven't had the Brigade after you yet.
Good luck with them. Sincerely.
People easily fall for the myths which are emotional not based in reason. Pharma loves the myths. One of our favorites is not a vitamin c myth, but the no honey for infants myth. Complete garbage info that has been very successfully propagated throughout the world.
One of my clients did this amazing outcome!
Klenner's work is easily repeatable. It's a crime that women are not told. Withholding that information supports the birth-trauma industry, and that's evil.
Nice to see you're also on substack, Theo.
Thank you. I'm not currently very active here because of busyness on the farm. I have material on my blog that I'd like to transfer here over time. Here are some entries. https://www.hfpma.online/blog/categories/vitamin-c. Also have 3 articles on the peer-reviewed orthomolecular.org. If you click the "search" atom and enter my name, you can read those. Hopefully, I'll get more time on here in the next months.
So would you say that some of the complications in cattle births could be due to vit C deficiency? I don’t know much about cows but I have seen a brutal video of a chain assisted calf birth.
Well let’s see: stress depletes vitamin c in cows and they are not great producers of vitamin c in the first place. So deficiency due to stress likely contributes to problems and to calves that don’t thrive, but stress is the core issue. We had one cow this year that had a strange birth. Her calf got sick and died and than she got a bad lung infection and was wasting away. We harvested her and found a wad of plastic in her stomach. So the stress from the plastic was the core issue, but that stress would lead to ascorbate deficiency. We don’t supplement our cows with vitamin c, and haven’t done a similar study to the study Dr. Klenner did with his patients. Complications in calving here are rare and usually it is easy to identify the core stress associated with the downstream problem.
Thank you for such a speedy reply! Appreciate your info and perspective.
Yes, yes and yes. Vitamin C! The American Association of Naturopathic Physicians sent a letter to hospitals regarding their highly successful treatment of covid with high doses of Vitamin C. And, of course, most hospitals ignored it -- AND a local mainstream news site posted a warning about the danger of high doses of Vit C - but posted nothing about the horrible side effects of pharmaceuticals. The only adverse effects that high doses of Vit C might produce are stomach aches and/or diarrhea - if that happens then you slightly lower the dose until there is tolerance. Vit C is great for many ills. Thank you posting such a wonderful article.
Love the writing.
hello! Trying to decide between the ascorbic powder that you recommend or their liposomal. I took Liposomal for my last pregnancy, that was before I read your article. which is better? or what might they do differently in the body?
I would do both. They absorb differently in the body and gut. A good discussion on forms is in this article by Hickey. https://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v10n13.shtml
thank you, I will read this! How would I apply the protocol of 5, 10, 15 gram per day per trimester while utilizing both forms? would it be a total gram amount or for example 5 ascorbic and 5 liposomal in the first trimester?
Klenner’s protocol is a guideline from less toxic times (1940s). If you can handle more that’s better. The only thing limiting how much ascorbic acid you take is your bowel tolerance. You can take a few spoons full of liposomal a day to top that off.